GL did something that I didn’t like.
Actually, GL has done a fair number of things that I don’t like, but since he [along with Masculist Man] is my hero, and since I haven’t had time to get to them, I’ve been letting them slide. But this time it’s gone too far.
What GL did that I don’t like is he wrote this:
Anyone who acts a little too desperate or creepy and says, “Hi girls if you want a good relationship with a nice man call or email me at.. “
SPAM
(Meaning that he’s going to put men such as he just described on his WordPress spam blacklist.)
Now let me make this very clear. And what I’m about to say doesn’t just apply to GL, it applies to everyone:
To put people on your spam list is fine. It’s your blog. It’s your right.
But once you start dropping the label of “creepy”, that’s hate speech against men.
During my life, I’ve heard the word “creepy” thrown around at men so many times, it makes me absolutely sick! I’ve heard it thrown maybe twice at women during my entire life, and hundreds of times at men. It is a gender-charged feminist hate-slur against men. And here it is yet again! On an anti-feminist blog no less!
And I don’t buy for one second that it’s suddenly legitimate in the case where the man asked for a relationship with women (as in the example case that GL provided). Because I know the way things are, and it would never be used if the shoe were on the other foot, in the case where a woman asked for a relationship with men.
Labeling a man “creepy” is MISANDRY. It’s never acceptable. It’s almost like calling a black person “nigger” or a white person “cracker”. And on top of that, it encourages feminist hysteria.
And there’s absolutely no legitimate reason for why it appeared on a blog which is supposed to be an anti-feminist blog.
It needs to stop.
The women are trying to shut me / my blog down now:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=229×8069
I have recently received a comment on the Antimisandry RSS thread corresponding to this post from Drex (an MRA who posts on Antimisandry.com), and Drex informed me that this post that I have written is correct, and that another piece of hate-speech that is often thrown around at men in addition to
“creepy” is “pervert”.
Now unlike “creepy”, which is an ill-defined term which really only exists as hate-speech, “pervert” is legitimate in extreme cases, such as to describe a child molesterer, or something of that nature.
BUT in practice, in 99.9% of cases where the word “pervert” is used against men, it is totally illegitimate and unwarranted hate speech.
And also, where it might legitimately be used to describe a female child molesterer or other female offender of that nature, it is often neglected to be used.
I wasn’t going to post here again, but a friend of mine told me what Luke’s last blog post was, and when I read it, I couldn’t believe the utter hypocricy of it. Here’s Luke, upset with one of his ”heroes” (pitiful) because he used the term ”creepy” in reference to males. Now he wants us all to hate on this guy and normally, this might be legitimate. However…………
When I took offence to the youtuber RV bashing men and saying women were more compassionate, Luke didn’t have any problem with this one. Instead of siding with a masculist, he sided with a non masculist. Hmmmmm, it does sound hypocritical to me.
And get this, because he sucks masculist mans cock (he does it again in this post) the socalled masculist doesn’t have a problem with Luke’s unhelpfullness over at youtube and the way he didn’t side with a masculist. I think someone’s a little biased, don’t you masculist man? You should look at the facts before you let your cocksucker influence your decisions.
And don’t expect any sympathy from me on this one Luke, as you are a hypocrit. And when you said in the other thread about not ”helping” me anymore, well, GOOD. I don’t want or need your so called ”help”, because your brand of ”help” is worthless. You are a letdown, not a help. Your also a lovesick cocksucker for masculist man but thats another story for another day.
This time it really is good bye and good riddance, but if I hear of you being a whining hypocrit again I’ll be sure to tell you about it.
Greg.
Greg, for the nth time, I didn’t side with RV’s statements about women being more compassionate than men. Nowhere in the video that you linked to did he make the claim that they were more compassionate than men. That was on a different video, and you expected me to somehow read your mind and psychically figure out that it was on that different video. If I had heard him say it, I would have objected to it immediately. However, I did not hear him say it on that video. If he said it on another video, you should have linked to that other video, and been very clear about what you wanted me and Masculist Man to object against.
Instead of being clear, you were vague, and then blamed and flamed us when we couldn’t read your mind to find exactly what you wanted from us.
Needless to say, we won’t be helping you again.
Luke, I may be wrong, but as far as I know, the generally accepted defintion of “hate speech” is speech which explicitly advocates physical violence against an individual, group of individuals, or other entities.
Sometimes some MRA’s seem to waver when “life’s good” (IE: they got the foreign girl they wanted etc), this ‘calms them down’. They then try to work within the society that hates them, the result is a slight turning against their fellow man. I see this somewhat often. Once things get bad again they’re beliefs will change yet again.
PS: The women’s rights activists have gotten my yahoo email address shut down (mikeeusaa@yahoo.com) (they got it off my blog probably).
–MikeeUSA–
I hear women throw that “creepy” guy around quite a bit. Yet if a guy calls a woman a “bitch,” it’s somehow completely unacceptable, even if true. The double standards in this area are mind-boggling.
Well I’m here to tell you that in fact you are wrong, socon, because hate speech also includes racially-charged slurs and gender-charged slurs intended to demean people of a specific race or gender. Here in the United States hate speech is not illegal (unless it involves physical threats, etc.), but it’s still hate speech, nonetheless.
Feminists and antifeminists throw hate speech at each other all the time. That’s nothing new, that’s supposed to be expected. This is because both sides hate the other, and have no respect for the other.
But GL and other people who are supposed to be on the antifeminist side ought not to utter hate speech against men, because it betrays the respect that men have for them as antifeminists.
As for you, you’ve already shown your cards, socon, and I really don’t think too many MRA bloggers or sitemasters are going to be linking to you.
But as for GL, there are people in the MRM who trust GL and who link to GL, and when GL turns around and starts throwing around these labels that promote misandry, that’s a real betrayal of the antifeminists and MRA’s who trust him.
Again, I have no problem with him putting men who try to get the girls to contact them for a relationship on his spam list. What they are doing is indeed a form of spam.
What I have a problem with is the word that he used. Because it’s a word which is used to stigmatize men and demonize men and promote misandry.
I’m absolutely no fan of political correctness, but I hope that some day in the future, society looks upon the word “creepy” as they look upon the n-word today. I hope that they look at it as a relic of the past from a time when society was bigoted against men, and misandry was rampant. And they will thus regard it as an inappropriate term not to be used.
Creepy isn’t misandrist. Anyone can be creepy. It’s just a descriptor for someone exhibiting certain sorts of weird, unsettling behaviour. Why is that so offensive to you?
Rachel, what you just said is almost like me saying it’s okay to refer to a gay person as “queer”, just as long as I say to everyone else, “Oh, I was referring to the dictionary definition of queer, in that he was acting strangely”, even if I and everyone else knew perfectly well that that’s not true, and that I was in fact bashing him.
Rachel, of course it’s different if you’re referring to “a creepy bug” or something like that.
But every time I’ve ever heard the word “creepy” used toward a man, it’s been used to stigmatize and degrade that man, to imply that he is some sort of pervert.
And I’ve virtually never heard it used toward women, no matter what they do.
It’s an anti-male slur that is promoted by the feminist society we live in that hates men, and wants to degrade men in any way it can.
Okay, I stand corrected on the hate speech definition. I checked it up. I was thinking of the definitionof illegal hate speech (violence, etc.) which is pretty mich the same here as in the US.
I maintain that saying that using the word “creep” amounts to hate speech is one hell of a stretch of the imagination, no matter how broad a definition you use.
“As for you, you’ve already shown your cards, socon, and I really don’t think too many MRA bloggers or sitemasters are going to be linking to you.”
Oh no. I guess I’ll just have to hang out there alone with my SNOB friends. LOL.
And btw, I noticed that at least half the prominent MRA bloggers either hate MascoNazi Man, or are hated by him, or just ignore him. Some leader you chose. ROFL.
“Rachel, what you just said is almost like me saying it’s okay to refer to a gay person as “queer”
Personally, I prefer the term faggot.
Socon, it is hate speech / a slur because in our feminist society, in 99.99% of the times that it is used in its derogatory context, it is used by women against men, or by men with feminist leanings against other men. It is virtually NEVER used against women, even when they do things that might (hypothetically) be deserving of that label.
In other words Socon, it is hate speech because of its (prominent)de facto role in targeting and degrading men in our society, and its de facto role in enforcing a sexist double standard such as TheFabulousMs.Pitt mentioned in Comment #7.
And it’s not okay for people such as GL, who are trusted to uphold antifeminism, to put their seal of approval on it by throwing it around. It’s almost as if you and GL don’t realize that it’s offensive to men, and that it degrades men.
*Sigh* It wasn’t a good example. But it’s the only one I could think of that illustrated exactly what I wanted to say: that is somebody using a slur, and then hiding behind the dictionary definition of the slur to “legitimize” it. I meant to use it to say that it’s not acceptable to degrade a man with the label “creepy” and then hide behind the dictionary definition of the word “creepy” when you know in your heart that you used it as a slur against that man, which has nothing to do with the dictionary definition.
That’s all I meant to do with that example. I didn’t intend it to formulate a pro or anti gay stance through it. I just used it to make a point.
I also want everyone to know that I’m getting a lot of messages from the pro-Men’s Rights antimisandry.com site on my RSS thread affirming and agreeing with what I said on this post.
I think those voices should be heard, so I’m going to post them here as well:
[Drex:]
aye.. well, its a common ploy of women.. i usually note that women often refer to men as “perverts”.. which I find pretty offensive since more women than men seem to see fit to display their flesh to the world first and ask questions later..
[Annette:]
My mother used to refer to my late father as a “pervert”. I found out why she called him that. Because he liked sex.
HAHA!!! I guess that makes me a pervert too?
[Drex:]
Oddly, it seems to be a phrase that is never applied to women..
Like, “peeping tom”, “flasher”, etc..
A woman sunbathing naked or standing at her window in the raw is not a flasher, she is a victim of “peeping toms”..
Reverse the genders and the man is a flasher!
Another interesting one is the way that men get the labels in the age discrimination game..
An older man snaking a young woman is a “dirty old man”..
An younger man slipping an older woman is a “toy boy”..
Mind you, there is not really any male equivalent of a “slag”..
So I guess its swings and roundabouts!!
I have noticed a recent phenonema whereby it is now socially acceptable for women to proclaim their love of masturbation and boast of their dildo collections..
What they fail to realise, is that it does not really send the same messages out to men that it does to their female chums..
The most appalling thing I see is that old women of “Gilf” standard are loudly proclaiming their prefference for the youngest of men..
This is a tragic waste of young mens lives I feel!
And it demonstrates just how hopeless many young men are that the only way they can get by in life is by being accessories to spent women..
Speaking logically and naturally, it is far more “perverse” for a man to get wood over a 60 year old than it is for him to get a stiffy over a shapely 15 year old schoolgirl..
But, you wont be seeing that defined by the feminists as sick!!
[Annette:]
I see it as creepy when older women (40s, 50s) go after young guys. Smacks of pedophilia to me, even if the young guy is in his 20s or 30s.
However, I never saw anything wrong with men in their 40s and 50s preferring girls in their 20s. That always seemed natural to me.
Please don’t bash me for being hypocritical, I don’t know why I have always seen it like this, but I have! To me, its normal and natural for the male to be the older one, even if he is older by 20 years.
[Marx:] Nature seems to follow your ideals, Annette.
No, anyone can be creepy. You’re reading things into a word that just aren’t there. For instance, a girl at college I didn’t know that well used to follow me around. She would always sit near me during breaks but rarely spoke to me or tried to speak to my friends. That was creepy. I did try and make friends with her but she still clammed up all the time.
Sometimes, people (of either gender) just have “something” about their behaviour that makes you shudder – a sort of coldness usually. That is what people describe, rightly or wrongly, as creepiness.
Last but not least, the man of indeterminate age who used to hang around the door of my flat at the sort of time I got home from work, attempting to bar my entry and making weird comments to me, despite the fact that he’d been told to F off on a couple of occasions – he was creepy. I bet you’re going to try and defend him now; I’m all ears.
Google just shutdown my weblog (mikeeusa.blogspot.com):
“This blog is in violation of Blogger’s Terms of Service and is open to authors only”
Death To women’s Rights.
Viva Men’s Liberties.
–MikeeUSA–
Remeber: women have freedom of speech and Men have the freedom to go to jail.
women’s rights activists have gotten my email address deleted, my weblog at http://mikeeusa.blogspot.com blocked (if you’re not an author your told that this blog has violated TOS and is only visible to authors), and have reported me to the police and the FBI.
I’ve put a writeup of this on another weblog of mine at http://mikeesjournal.blogspot.com/
Here’s the women being triumphant:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=229×8069#8134
I guess next is for me to be arrested and imprisoned. Oh well, that’s what we get for being milktoast men and not overthrowing the gynoarchy.
–MikeeUSA–
Dude you sound like a creeper.
Rachel, I’m not done with you.
I have a response — a big one, it’s just that it’s taking me awhile to write since I’ve been so busy.
Mike. Sometimes it seems like every time we take a step forward, we have to take a step back, or even worse, two steps back.
It’s no sooner that MRA’s hit those feminist bloggers with a denial of service attack that wiped out 3 of their blogs/boards that a database corruption at Antimisandry wiped out 6 of ours, and now yours is gone.
So that’s 7 of our blogs gone, but I guess I have to admit that Zarmband is back with all his stuff, so that’s +1, so that’s 6 of ours gone with 3 of theirs gone.
That’s one step forward with 2 steps back.
http://flower-on-fire.livejournal.com/437292.html?nc=3
Liberal ‘rocker’ doesn’t like your (or my) weblogs.
Luke,
If the person responsible for this misandry were to apologize and retify the situation then we can move on,right?
Here’s a post detailing the recent Femstapo crackdown on free speech from political dissenters.
Fellas, these toxic harpies are ruthless and morally bankrupt.
Say what you will about MRAs, but most of us at least still stand for Constitutional rights like free speech and freely engage in open discourse. Whereas feminists protect their web of lies behind heavily-censored “safe spaces” and Stalinesque silencing tactics. These dirty cvnts aren’t just frothing misandrists…but also highly-unethical anti-Constitutionalists.
I’ve started a wordpress weblog after women’s rights activists (who I hate) had my blogger site blocked:
http://mikeeusa.wordpress.com/
I put up a new post discussing it.