I have no problem with men dating Siberian women. Personally I don’t know how that would work out, since I’ve actually never been to Siberia.

But if you think that men should like the idea of being a feminist, then you are an idiot. The feminists are responsable for the subjugation of men, don’t you see that?

And don’t even start blathering about “the opposite sex having equal rights.” Tell me, what right don’t they have. They not only have equal rights, but they have special rights at the expense of men. They don’t have to register for Selective Service, they often get affirmative action when applying to colleges and universities and jobs, they have men like you to keep insisting that they don’t have enough special rights, etc.

Anyway, if you have your heart and mind dead set on dating an Eastern woman, an excellent first stop would be Rydzyna, Poland.

But frankly Cole Davis, I’m not so sure it would be a good idea for you to date an Eastern woman right away, because you seem to be carrying a lot of Western pro-feminist baggage, and that’s going to be unattractive to the Polish women, and also make the Polish men think you are a total fool.

You need to spend some time talking to Masculist Man. He will de-brainwash you. Links are provided on this site to Masculist Man’s site.

Then if you want to date a woman from the East, ideally you need to talk to someone who is much more experienced than me in that regard such as GL or Yan Yan.

GL can be found at http://russianwomen.wordpress.com .

Yan Yan can be found at antimisandry.com.

I think men who go to the East for women are smarter; just be sure not to bring them back HERE to the West, because then they become like the Western women you are trying to escape, sometimes more so! (I’ve seen it happen)

I prefer very conservative, traditional environments, which is why I’m glad to be living in a largely EE-expat community here in the USA. I get the traditional cultural exposure without having to leave the USA (and great Russian food, too!) Plus, I’ve been able to update my matryoshka collection.

Some food for thought (Part 1)

http://socon.wordpress.com/2007/09/24/money-a-sign-of-greater-virtues-%e2%80%93-part-1/

“In short, the reason why feminism has been kept out of Poland is not because Polish women decided not to have the attitude of entitlement, but because Polish men have refused to let them have that attitude.”

Finally you got it right!

Thank you Simon. I know I got it right.

It’s too bad that none of these guys will ever listen to me. I keep trying to tell them not to put these women on any kind of pedestal because it will cause them to get an “entitled” attitude, but nobody ever listens to me.

1. I have no admin privileges on GL’s blog, so it’s pointless telling me about how you comments were edited or deleted.

Okay point taken. With comment #12, I probably should have just made the comment and not addressed it to anyone. That would have solved that problem.

2. The eye looks like a Masonic symbol [and yes, I am beginning to sound like Rexpat — which is a tad scary.]

Actually you’ve been sounding like Rexpat for a long time, but it’s nice that you’ve finally noticed. The Eye is not a masonic symbol in any way. It was designed by the MRA who runs Antimisandry.com.

3. I doubt that any of the “good Russian Women guys from before” would support your stance on sex tourism.

No they probably wouldn’t. But they also wouldn’t start up a hatefest against me, try to drag GL into said hatefest, compare me to the Virginia Tech shooter, make false claims that I’m mentally ill, and countless other crap that you guys have done to me.

Also, there are MRA’s who don’t agree with everything I say, and I don’t agree with everything that every other MRA says. But none of them have responded to any disagreement of ours in the ridiculous manner that you guys did.

Finally you got it right!

1. I have no admin privileges on GL’s blog, so it’s pointless telling me about how you comments were edited or deleted.

2. The eye looks like a Masonic symbol [and yes, I am beginning to sound like Rexpat -- which is a tad scary.]

3. I doubt that any of the “good Russian Women guys from before” would support your stance on sex tourism.

That eye looks totally evil.

I’ll take it that you’re referring to the Eye of Antimisandry.

Be careful what you’re calling evil, Socon, as the Eye of Antimisandry is one of the main symbols of the Men’s Rights Movement.

The Eye symbolizes the Unity of the Men’s Rights Movement. It symbolizes that each and every individual MRA is being watched out for and cared for by the Movement, it is their guardian angel.

Did you notice how Masculist Man and Chris Key swooped in here when you, Wolverine, Ceiver, and Rexpat first turned on me? That is the Eye of Antimisandry in action.

The Russian Women folks once were in tune with this concept, too. In February there was a young man, a longtime rival who goes to my school with an axe to grind against me who brought a whole bunch of guys over to this blog to shame me and blame me and flame me, it was the Russian women people who came over here and helped me.

Not you, Ceiver, Rexpat, or Wolverine, mind you. It was different Russian women people. It was GL himself, and the good Russian women people that GL used to have before you guys came along and screwed everything up.

(Note: Admittedly Ceiver poked his head in, but did nothing to help, and was actually counterproductive.)

This is the post where it happened: The Socialist and Feminist Arms of My College

But sadly, I don’t think I could count on the Russian Women people to do that for me again, because the good guys in it have all been replaced with you turds. Turds that have no sense of loyalty or unity, but who only care about filling their egos with more and more hot air, and deluding themselves into thinking that everyone “envies them” Turds that would turn on you in a moment’s notice all because you said something outside of the “party line”. And worst of all, turds that want to spoil the dream for other men who want to escape Western hell and live a better life in the East.

The other thing that I noticed that I didn’t like at all is that when I responded to that obnoxious Russian woman that was on GL’s blog, the wording of my first comment got changed. I called her “little Russian girl” (because that’s what she was acting like), and it got changed to simply “Lady”.

And then for my second comment, that was deleted outright, even though what she said back to me was just as bad. Among other things, I told her to sit down and shut up, and that’s exactly what she needed to do. And it got deleted…

What’s strange is that I’ve said things just as bad on GL’s blog to Ceiver and Rexpat, and none of that got deleted, and Rexpat and others have said even worse things to me and about me on GL’s blog, and none of that got deleted either, but when I stand up to this ornery Russian woman, that gets deleted.

Russian women do not deserve special treatment.
Polish women do not deserve special treatment.

When are you guys going to get it through your heads.

Yes they are lovely, both groups of women, as I saw both groups of women while I was in Poland.

But to start giving them special treatment, and to not crack down when they get out of line is to doom your society to the evils of feminism which have befallen so many others.

I’ll never contrite on that point, I don’t care what GL says or does. I saw what I saw in Poland, and what I saw is that Polish women were kept in line, and as for the extremely few times they got out of line, Polish men were not afraid to get very angry at them and put them back into their place.

In short, the reason why feminism has been kept out of Poland is not because Polish women decided not to have the attitude of entitlement, but because Polish men have refused to let them have that attitude.

He is very wise and very credible.

As far as rich vs poor and feminism vs patriarchy, I would imagine that the two can be interrelated when a rich society starts to become complacent and decadent.

And sometimes it doesn’t even take that long for the complacency and decadence to start.

Maybe this has more to do with Rich vs. Poor than Feminism vs. Patriarchy. [S. Korea is very technologically & economically developed...]

Hmm..

testing avatar…

(btw Luke, I’ve been called a lot of things in my life, but snob was never one of them — referring to the 75% thing)

Socon, if you want to be entirely accurate, you are the lackey of a snob. You and Wolverine essentially function as Rexpat’s little vassals. So essentially you are a snob by extension of the fact that you echo the stuff Rexpat says.

Right now you are only a little snob (although I wouldn’t bank on the proposition that you won’t turn into a bigger one once you are older.)

The big snobs are Rexpat and all others like him (and there are unfortunately more than you think), who think that Eastern women are their own personal exclusive entity for just them to have, and who make up lies to entrench this “fact” in people’s minds.

I mean, when GL wrote that list, I think it was just a general set of guidelines. When GL originally wrote that list, I read it as something that one should strive for, but not a hard and fast thing that would ever completely block you from having a relationship with an Eastern woman.

Rexpat was the one who changed all that. Rexpat was the one who tried to enforce the belief that not only that list was totally hard and fast, but he added on even more stuff, and said that women would constantly test men on stuff on that whole list.

It was at that point when GL’s list, combined with all the other shit that Rexpat added to it, became the infamous “laundry list for dating Eastern women”.

And at that time I trusted Rexpat, and I thought that he was right because I trusted him, and he sold the lie so well.

Now I’m pretty much back to my original position with regards to GL’s list. That yes it is something that you should strive for, but not having the characteristics on it will not block you from having a relationship with an Eastern girl, or a real feminine girl.

I know this because of the relationship that I had with that feminine rural girl when I was 18. I had maybe 1 and a half of the characteristics on that list, and I didn’t do as well as I would have if I were in that situation now 3 years later with more traits on that list, but ultimately it still didn’t stop me.

(btw Luke, I’ve been called a lot of things in my life, but snob was never one of them — referring to the 75% thing)

It depends on which one of them you are talking about. Some of them are very deluded people who think that this is just another opportunity to stroke their egos. Thus they make up this list and say that they have all the charactaristics on this list, and that if you don’t have all the characteristics on this list, then Eastern women will not have a long term relationship with you.

It’s BS, and it’s just a way for them to claim that they are exclusive, special people, and that Eastern women are a very exclusive thing which only they are entitled to.

This is something I should have figured out a long time ago, but didn’t, because I trusted them.

No I still haven’t changed what I said about sex tourism and prostitution, so that hasn’t changed.

What’s changed is that I’ve talked to so many men outside of your “little circle”, and they all told me that American women basically hated them, and they and everyone else around them thought that they were the problem, until they went to places like the Philippines for a long time and then they had more girls dating them and more opportunities for girlfriends than ever before.

And you folks constantly told me that there was this list of characteristics that you had to have in order to date girls for long term relationships overseas, and based on what these men have seen with their own two eyes, that simply is not true. Maybe that is true in Russia, but it isn’t true everywhere.

My point is that I should have listened to what my own eyes and heart told me. Not what you guys told me.

And also when GL makes a mistake or says something that’s not true, I need to be less afraid to call GL out on it.

My biggest mistake is that when you guys came up with that list, I believed you. I trusted GL and you guys so much that I immediately believed you without even asking for any kind of a second opinion.

And then when I went to Poland, I still believed in it, and it made going to Poland very bittersweet because I honestly believed you and thought that if you were a foreigner and you wanted a long term relationship with one of the girls, then you would have to have all this additional stuff, which is on that list.

If I would have sought second opinions on what you said right away, I would have found out about the guys going to the Philippines and Cambodia right away, and then I would have gone back and said “No, you’re wrong about that list, and here’s why: ”

That was a big mistake on my part, and I’ll try never to make that kind of a mistake again.

Those scam artists are only out for a quick fucking buck, often selling guys these laundry lists for stupid amounts of money. They are taking advantage of men who are less fortunate and quite frankly, that makes me sick.

Fuck the laundry lists, I’m not changing for anybody.

NHY

In the Far East, The Philippines is probably the easiest for the novice because English is widely spoken and there’s a long tradition of inter-marriage.

But don’t discount Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam or some parts of Indonesia.

Avoid South Korea like the plague – Korean men have started coming to the Philippines.

Japan is for experts only.

As for Eastern Europe I’ve only visited Hungary and Bulgaria but the jokes about all their women being ugly are nonsense.

Good hunting to all!

I need to go to sleep now, so I’ll talk more about how I know that those lists are wrong in the morning.