When it first started, the practice of Western men who were sick of feminazi women going over to date Eastern women was truly something special. It was a practice done by Western men who, perhaps, wanted a girl like that sweet rural girl that they had when they were 18, or even by men who were totally blown off by American and Western women their whole lives. Eastern women were something special that these men had that were more beautiful and more feminine than any girl in the West.
But as with any really good, liberating thing, some really bad things within it started to show up. The first bad thing that showed up was the scammers — unscrupulous Eastern women who took advantage of the situation and got Western men to fly over with hopes of marrying them, and then scammed them out of all their money. Ultimately, this is bad for both Western men and legitimate Eastern women.
But even worse than that is what is happening right now. What is happening right now is that the snobs have jumped on board, and the entitlement princes have hopped on board. In other words, snobbish men who are just looking for another “ascendency to the throne” in their lives have started to hijack the vision of dating Eastern women away from the hopers and the dreamers. Lately I have started to see them on websites, I have started to see them on forums, I have started to see them creep their way up all over the net. These guys already think they “have it all”, and dating an Eastern woman is just another thing that they are “adding to their pile”. These guys truly sicken me. Even though I knew this would happen, as with any truly good thing, these sorts of guys always eventually try to hop on board and hijack it, it still sickens me.
Now one of the most damaging things that these snobs have done in order to hijack the dream is that they came up with fake laundry lists with all these characteristics on them that only they had, and told everybody else that if they didn’t have at least 75% of the characteristics (the number varies from snob to snob) on these lists, then Eastern women would not date them in a long term relationship. And they also said that Eastern women would test men constantly on the stuff on those lists. And then they pretended to be the “experts” on Eastern women so that everybody would believe them. And most deceiving of all, they got buddy-buddy with people who had spent a lot more time in the East than they had, in order to make themselves seem even more legitimate. Now unfortunately all of it was so deceiving that I had fallen for it too until a couple days ago when I finally sorted it all out………
Ultimately I didn’t let my brothers in the MRM down because I reaffirmed what has been said time and time again in the MRM about sex tours and prostitution. I let them down because I ignored what my heart and my eyes told me, and instead I believed in snobs who pretended to be experts on dating Eastern women, but in reality were nothing of the sort. The reason why I believed them is because they got buddy-buddy with GL, and even GL himself seemed to buy into what they were saying. Almost always I am immune to this sort of “herd mentality”. But when it involved GL, tragically I was not.
But there is still time to set things straight. I want everyone in the MRM to know that what I saw in Poland was a situation where on a fundamental level, MRA’s who are willing to learn the language and learn the customs, and who are willing to spend a considerable amount of time in a real small town such as Rydzyna (Not Warsaw or any of the big cities!!!) will be able to have a sweet Polish girlfriend that will blow away anything that they see in the West.
I should have never listened to people who handed me a laundry list and said,”Oh no. In order to date these women in a long term relationship you need to do all the things and have all the characeristics on this laundry list.” That’s a pile of shit, and I really should have known better. Because obviously if all it takes in Rydzyna is “Dzin Dobre” and a hand motion at them to make them come over to your table and sit there with you for hours, then if you knew Polish, you could do so much better, regardless of whether or not you can fulfill some “laundry list” or another.
I don’t mind at all sharing the Polish girls with other men from the West who want a better life, but I’ll tell you right now, it’s going to ruin the whole thing if the next time one of us is in Rydzyna we see a whole army of rexpats* all thinking that they are entitled to their own “slice of the pie” along with all the other “slices” of various forms of “pie” (not necessarily girls, but the “spoils of life” in general) that they’ve already shoved into their stomachs. And then who come back home declaring themselves the ultimate gurus on Poland and Polish girls, and making up lists and saying: “Polish girls won’t even look at you if you aren’t all of the things on this list.” That sort of crap is only going to scare away and demoralize the hopers and the dreamers, to whom this whole Western men dating Eastern women thing really ought to belong.
Now we find ourselves at the threshold, at the point where these rexpats and snobs have just started to crawl onto the dream, but haven’t taken it away yet. I believe that there is still something that can stop them from taking away the dream, and that something is the MRM. The MRM needs to realize that there definately is a stake in this, because MRA men need to have their souls nourished by these foreign women in order to be truly effective combatants against feminism. That’s a fact gentlemen. And that is something which really, really, really, really, really, really, REALLY needs to happen. Therefore we need to make sure that the snobs and the rexpats don’t take away the dream. I am going to contact the leader of the Men’s Rights Movement, Masculist Man, about this, because there is still time,but we need to act now. Fortunatley we already won Battle # 1 against the snobs and the rexpats (our forces consisted of Masculist Man, myself, and Simon in that battle), and in addition to that, when certain snobs and certain rexpats tried to get GL to bite the hook and join the bash train against me and other truly legitimate MRA’s, GL wasn’t biting.
The way in which we are going to win this is we are going to refuse to back down because of the snobs and the rexpats. We are going to send MRA men to these countries no matter what the rexpats and the snobs say. And when we show the rexpats and the snobs that we are going to keep living the dream, regardless of whatever characteristics we do or don’t have, it is eventually the rexpats and the snobs who will back down…..
Here is the lowdown:
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For young MRA men living in Europe, Poland would be a great place to go for a first time, as a plane ticket from the UK or Ireland, where a lot of MRA men live, to Poland probably doesn’t cost all that much. I especially recommend Rydzyna.
For second and subsequent times for European MRA’s, unless you really without the slightest doubt absolutely have your heart set on Poland, you need to talk to Yan Yan and head over to the Philippines.
MRA men young and old, experienced or inexperienced, living in Australia or New Zealand need to talk to Yan Yan and get their asses over to the Philippines.
American and Canadian MRA’s need to either talk to Yan Yan and head over to the Philippines, or if it’s their first time, they can go to Poland instead, as it might be cheaper if money is an issue, and for a first time should be satisfying enough. Depends on the season.
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* rexpat is a new MRA term that I am coining. A rexpat is a stuck-up delusional snob who thinks that they are automatically entitled to dating Eastern women because they fulfill a certain set of characteristics (especially if it is one which they themselves made up), and who says that Eastern women will not date anyone who doesn’t fulfill that set. The etymology of the term is from a guy who goes by the moniker Rexpat who embodies this perfectly. If you like the girls in an Eastern country, by all means become an expat. But please don’t ever be a rexpat.
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Oh, and I want to make it perfectly clear that absolutely none of this is meant to say that MRA’s are compelled to date foreign women. They aren’t. MRA’s are free to go along whatever path they choose with regard to this sort of thing. They can choose to live their lives as bachelors if they want. They can go on sex tours to Bangkok or whereever else they choose. Just as long as nothing they do leads them to the [false] conclusion that all foreign women are goddesses and turns them into a rexpat and a mangina. But in reality, as long as they don’t believe in the dribble of Rexpat and others like him, realistically I don’t think that’ll happen.
Just a note to the Luke-bashers before the bashing even starts. I’ve had a month and a half to think about what I saw in Poland now, and I’ve put two and two together, and I really think that those lists that you guys made up are completely wrong. If they were right, I would keep with what I was saying before and just say “forget it”, but the fact is that I now truly think that those lists were wrong, even though you guys did a very good job of selling them to me as truth.
I need to go to sleep now, so I’ll talk more about how I know that those lists are wrong in the morning.
Thanks for the mention Luke – hope I don’t get overwelmed!
In the Far East, The Philippines is probably the easiest for the novice because English is widely spoken and there’s a long tradition of inter-marriage.
But don’t discount Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam or some parts of Indonesia.
Avoid South Korea like the plague – Korean men have started coming to the Philippines.
Japan is for experts only.
As for Eastern Europe I’ve only visited Hungary and Bulgaria but the jokes about all their women being ugly are nonsense.
Good hunting to all!
Not biting.
While I haven’t really being following the whole issue your on about here, I do agree with what you are saying completely.
Those scam artists are only out for a quick fucking buck, often selling guys these laundry lists for stupid amounts of money. They are taking advantage of men who are less fortunate and quite frankly, that makes me sick.
Fuck the laundry lists, I’m not changing for anybody.
NHY
Socon–I don’t care whether you’re biting or not!
No I still haven’t changed what I said about sex tourism and prostitution, so that hasn’t changed.
What’s changed is that I’ve talked to so many men outside of your “little circle”, and they all told me that American women basically hated them, and they and everyone else around them thought that they were the problem, until they went to places like the Philippines for a long time and then they had more girls dating them and more opportunities for girlfriends than ever before.
And you folks constantly told me that there was this list of characteristics that you had to have in order to date girls for long term relationships overseas, and based on what these men have seen with their own two eyes, that simply is not true. Maybe that is true in Russia, but it isn’t true everywhere.
My point is that I should have listened to what my own eyes and heart told me. Not what you guys told me.
And also when GL makes a mistake or says something that’s not true, I need to be less afraid to call GL out on it.
My biggest mistake is that when you guys came up with that list, I believed you. I trusted GL and you guys so much that I immediately believed you without even asking for any kind of a second opinion.
And then when I went to Poland, I still believed in it, and it made going to Poland very bittersweet because I honestly believed you and thought that if you were a foreigner and you wanted a long term relationship with one of the girls, then you would have to have all this additional stuff, which is on that list.
If I would have sought second opinions on what you said right away, I would have found out about the guys going to the Philippines and Cambodia right away, and then I would have gone back and said “No, you’re wrong about that list, and here’s why: ”
That was a big mistake on my part, and I’ll try never to make that kind of a mistake again.
NHY,
It depends on which one of them you are talking about. Some of them are very deluded people who think that this is just another opportunity to stroke their egos. Thus they make up this list and say that they have all the charactaristics on this list, and that if you don’t have all the characteristics on this list, then Eastern women will not have a long term relationship with you.
It’s BS, and it’s just a way for them to claim that they are exclusive, special people, and that Eastern women are a very exclusive thing which only they are entitled to.
This is something I should have figured out a long time ago, but didn’t, because I trusted them.
testing avatar…
(btw Luke, I’ve been called a lot of things in my life, but snob was never one of them — referring to the 75% thing)
That eye looks totally evil.
Socon, if you want to be entirely accurate, you are the lackey of a snob. You and Wolverine essentially function as Rexpat’s little vassals. So essentially you are a snob by extension of the fact that you echo the stuff Rexpat says.
Right now you are only a little snob (although I wouldn’t bank on the proposition that you won’t turn into a bigger one once you are older.)
The big snobs are Rexpat and all others like him (and there are unfortunately more than you think), who think that Eastern women are their own personal exclusive entity for just them to have, and who make up lies to entrench this “fact” in people’s minds.
I mean, when GL wrote that list, I think it was just a general set of guidelines. When GL originally wrote that list, I read it as something that one should strive for, but not a hard and fast thing that would ever completely block you from having a relationship with an Eastern woman.
Rexpat was the one who changed all that. Rexpat was the one who tried to enforce the belief that not only that list was totally hard and fast, but he added on even more stuff, and said that women would constantly test men on stuff on that whole list.
It was at that point when GL’s list, combined with all the other shit that Rexpat added to it, became the infamous “laundry list for dating Eastern women”.
And at that time I trusted Rexpat, and I thought that he was right because I trusted him, and he sold the lie so well.
Now I’m pretty much back to my original position with regards to GL’s list. That yes it is something that you should strive for, but not having the characteristics on it will not block you from having a relationship with an Eastern girl, or a real feminine girl.
I know this because of the relationship that I had with that feminine rural girl when I was 18. I had maybe 1 and a half of the characteristics on that list, and I didn’t do as well as I would have if I were in that situation now 3 years later with more traits on that list, but ultimately it still didn’t stop me.
Interesting what that guy is saying about S. Korea.
From what I know, it’s one of the most extremely patriarchal cultures in all of Asia.
Maybe this has more to do with Rich vs. Poor than Feminism vs. Patriarchy. [S. Korea is very technologically & economically developed...]
Hmm..
He’s lived in Eastern Asia for a long, long time. Much longer than GL has lived in Russia.
He is very wise and very credible.
As far as rich vs poor and feminism vs patriarchy, I would imagine that the two can be interrelated when a rich society starts to become complacent and decadent.
And sometimes it doesn’t even take that long for the complacency and decadence to start.
Socon,
The other thing that I noticed that I didn’t like at all is that when I responded to that obnoxious Russian woman that was on GL’s blog, the wording of my first comment got changed. I called her “little Russian girl” (because that’s what she was acting like), and it got changed to simply “Lady”.
And then for my second comment, that was deleted outright, even though what she said back to me was just as bad. Among other things, I told her to sit down and shut up, and that’s exactly what she needed to do. And it got deleted…
What’s strange is that I’ve said things just as bad on GL’s blog to Ceiver and Rexpat, and none of that got deleted, and Rexpat and others have said even worse things to me and about me on GL’s blog, and none of that got deleted either, but when I stand up to this ornery Russian woman, that gets deleted.
Russian women do not deserve special treatment.
Polish women do not deserve special treatment.
When are you guys going to get it through your heads.
Yes they are lovely, both groups of women, as I saw both groups of women while I was in Poland.
But to start giving them special treatment, and to not crack down when they get out of line is to doom your society to the evils of feminism which have befallen so many others.
I’ll never contrite on that point, I don’t care what GL says or does. I saw what I saw in Poland, and what I saw is that Polish women were kept in line, and as for the extremely few times they got out of line, Polish men were not afraid to get very angry at them and put them back into their place.
In short, the reason why feminism has been kept out of Poland is not because Polish women decided not to have the attitude of entitlement, but because Polish men have refused to let them have that attitude.
I’ll take it that you’re referring to the Eye of Antimisandry.
Be careful what you’re calling evil, Socon, as the Eye of Antimisandry is one of the main symbols of the Men’s Rights Movement.
The Eye symbolizes the Unity of the Men’s Rights Movement. It symbolizes that each and every individual MRA is being watched out for and cared for by the Movement, it is their guardian angel.
Did you notice how Masculist Man and Chris Key swooped in here when you, Wolverine, Ceiver, and Rexpat first turned on me? That is the Eye of Antimisandry in action.
The Russian Women folks once were in tune with this concept, too. In February there was a young man, a longtime rival who goes to my school with an axe to grind against me who brought a whole bunch of guys over to this blog to shame me and blame me and flame me, it was the Russian women people who came over here and helped me.
Not you, Ceiver, Rexpat, or Wolverine, mind you. It was different Russian women people. It was GL himself, and the good Russian women people that GL used to have before you guys came along and screwed everything up.
(Note: Admittedly Ceiver poked his head in, but did nothing to help, and was actually counterproductive.)
This is the post where it happened: The Socialist and Feminist Arms of My College
But sadly, I don’t think I could count on the Russian Women people to do that for me again, because the good guys in it have all been replaced with you turds. Turds that have no sense of loyalty or unity, but who only care about filling their egos with more and more hot air, and deluding themselves into thinking that everyone “envies them” Turds that would turn on you in a moment’s notice all because you said something outside of the “party line”. And worst of all, turds that want to spoil the dream for other men who want to escape Western hell and live a better life in the East.
Luke,
1. I have no admin privileges on GL’s blog, so it’s pointless telling me about how you comments were edited or deleted.
2. The eye looks like a Masonic symbol [and yes, I am beginning to sound like Rexpat -- which is a tad scary.]
3. I doubt that any of the “good Russian Women guys from before” would support your stance on sex tourism.
“In short, the reason why feminism has been kept out of Poland is not because Polish women decided not to have the attitude of entitlement, but because Polish men have refused to let them have that attitude.”
Finally you got it right!
Okay point taken. With comment #12, I probably should have just made the comment and not addressed it to anyone. That would have solved that problem.
Actually you’ve been sounding like Rexpat for a long time, but it’s nice that you’ve finally noticed. The Eye is not a masonic symbol in any way. It was designed by the MRA who runs Antimisandry.com.
No they probably wouldn’t. But they also wouldn’t start up a hatefest against me, try to drag GL into said hatefest, compare me to the Virginia Tech shooter, make false claims that I’m mentally ill, and countless other crap that you guys have done to me.
Also, there are MRA’s who don’t agree with everything I say, and I don’t agree with everything that every other MRA says. But none of them have responded to any disagreement of ours in the ridiculous manner that you guys did.
Thank you Simon. I know I got it right.
It’s too bad that none of these guys will ever listen to me. I keep trying to tell them not to put these women on any kind of pedestal because it will cause them to get an “entitled” attitude, but nobody ever listens to me.
Men, (Russian) Women, Love, Money
Some food for thought (Part 1)
http://socon.wordpress.com/2007/09/24/money-a-sign-of-greater-virtues-%e2%80%93-part-1/
I generally avoid female friendships for the same reason you want to avoid female romantic relationships: women are just too nasty, vindictive, manipulative and deceitful here in the West. And I’m a woman!
I think men who go to the East for women are smarter; just be sure not to bring them back HERE to the West, because then they become like the Western women you are trying to escape, sometimes more so! (I’ve seen it happen)
I prefer very conservative, traditional environments, which is why I’m glad to be living in a largely EE-expat community here in the USA. I get the traditional cultural exposure without having to leave the USA (and great Russian food, too!) Plus, I’ve been able to update my matryoshka collection.
hi. I don’t quite see why a man can’t like the idea of dating Siberian women and being a feminist. I don’ t feel threatened by the opposite sex having equal rights.
Cole Davis,
I have no problem with men dating Siberian women. Personally I don’t know how that would work out, since I’ve actually never been to Siberia.
But if you think that men should like the idea of being a feminist, then you are an idiot. The feminists are responsable for the subjugation of men, don’t you see that?
And don’t even start blathering about “the opposite sex having equal rights.” Tell me, what right don’t they have. They not only have equal rights, but they have special rights at the expense of men. They don’t have to register for Selective Service, they often get affirmative action when applying to colleges and universities and jobs, they have men like you to keep insisting that they don’t have enough special rights, etc.
Anyway, if you have your heart and mind dead set on dating an Eastern woman, an excellent first stop would be Rydzyna, Poland.
But frankly Cole Davis, I’m not so sure it would be a good idea for you to date an Eastern woman right away, because you seem to be carrying a lot of Western pro-feminist baggage, and that’s going to be unattractive to the Polish women, and also make the Polish men think you are a total fool.
You need to spend some time talking to Masculist Man. He will de-brainwash you. Links are provided on this site to Masculist Man’s site.
Then if you want to date a woman from the East, ideally you need to talk to someone who is much more experienced than me in that regard such as GL or Yan Yan.
GL can be found at http://russianwomen.wordpress.com .
Yan Yan can be found at antimisandry.com.
WOW. I am a girl from Poland and I accidently ran across this blog and I just about vomited in my mouth after reading some of the things you wrote. First of all, NO man has ever “put me in my place” nor will he ever do so. None of my girlfriends’ boyfriends have ever treated them that way either. I don’t know where your view of the submissive, dumb Polish girl comes from but I sure as hell don’t know any like that. I wouldn’t call myself a feminist but these ideas you have about our men not respecting us or acknowledging our education infuriated me. In all of the Polish houselholds I have ever been in, including my own, it is the female who is truly in charge, and if the man does anything offensive towards her, its his loss. I’m sorry to make you face reality, but the “cute, rural” Polish girls you saw here were probably all under the age of 15, and you should also realize that all girls around the world are initially sweet and nice when they first meet you.
You obviously have not spent enough time in my country to understand how we truly function…
I spent 10 years in America, in Alabama more specifically, and if you are looking for a good ole’ traditional housewive who supports gun ownership, a patriarchal household, and “taking good care of herself,” then maybe you should stop by there sometime…
As for your support of sex tourism and rape, I’d just like to say that you should be locked up in jail right now and that I hope that you never step one foot into my homeland again.
Get some help please, and face the realities of the modern world, because you certainly won’t change it.
Also, regarding your remarks to Cole Davis, women AND men around here would no doubt appreciate hie views far more greatly than yours. They would thing YOU were the idiot. Please, GET A GRIP and stop living in your little unrealistic fantasy world.